旧货猎人第二季

三星。没玩过游戏没看过原著，时间线统一以后观感比第一季好很多，但是给我的体验不如第一季，很多剧情看得我血压上升。精灵有个孩子就不想干了，要休养生息？？最后猎魔人被偷家那段，除了男主之外的猎魔人看着都有点菜，本来人就不多，又没了好几个。如果编剧是想表达战斗的艰难，那我只能说那些恐龙看起来不是很能打的样子（可能两季看下来习惯了），希里明知道家人都不在了+听到了男主的呼唤还是安心沉溺幻境，两季下来的成长呢？如果想表达她冲破幻境的艰难，起码看起来更警觉挣扎痛苦一点？我看着她挺安心挺欢乐的。两季下来，对希里的身世/为什么被追杀各种伏笔，但是感觉看了个寂寞，回想一下，好像主线剧情并没有什么进展，每次刚感觉要有突破了就已经是最后一集了。反派的身份挺出乎意料的，但可能因为前面基本没有铺垫，并没有大反转的惊喜，只有一头问号。反正亨利也不演了，我也不用纠结了

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剧透警告⚠️ 19年的时候接触巫师三游戏，当时只打了主线没打dlc ，也是刚接触3a，更多只是玩着新鲜，剧情没看明白多少，也没深究。 今天下午看完了第二季的电视剧，感觉是越来越好看的。尤其是第二季刚开始ciri开始训练的时候，还有最后一集ciri面对女妖创造的ciri和亲生父母在一起的幻境，不能自拔的时候，Geralt说“we belong together，you，us。it is not perfect，but it is real”。 我也幻想过自己出生在更好的家庭会不会比现在更优秀，也沉浸在虚拟游戏里无法自拔。但是再完美的虚拟世界和幻想也不能取代自己亲身经历过的不完美的现实。

前面都还行，最后看的我很痛苦，倒不是因为猎魔人被噶了一大半，而是因为希里这么重要的角色一点成长都没有，希里跟着猎魔人那么幸苦的训练，她跟杰洛特说她想对过去冷漠的时候我真以为她成长了，但是最后的表现还是那个被困在过去的软弱要抱抱的公主，外面猎魔人死的死伤的伤最后一起过来呼唤希里，前面杰洛特千呼百唤没啥用就算了，都到这份上了结果她转头对她从来没见过的爹妈来一句我哪也不去我只要你们简直是把一路上跟杰洛特和其他猎魔人陪伴的感情揉一块扔到地上踩两脚还要吐口唾沫，算是编剧强行要用这个机会来让叶奈法表现出转变来救场，叶奈法的转变是表现出来了，那希里的呢？顺带一提编剧很用心的把希里快乐跳舞和猎魔人被虐杀的画面交替在一块，跟最后一集要表现的“家人”的主题实在是撕裂。还有维瑟米尔，一个猎魔人死掉他都心疼死了，现在在他面前惨死那么多个我都不知道他要怎么撑过去，然而他还是作为编剧的工具人，内心的情感与挣扎、希望与绝望被简单带过了。至于亚斯卡尔，他这个吊儿郎当一点忙都帮不上的形象可能已经被编剧用502胶水粘在他身上再拍一百季也甩不掉了。

我真心希望有人能来告诉我我的理解是错的，片面的，不然看了这个剧我得好久心情都不会好了。

第二季渐渐找到画风了，看过的都知道和第一季差距特别大。

之前的问题就是文戏有点文绉绉有点想做史诗的感觉，但编剧美工导演无法合作融洽在Tv这个载体做出来他们要的东西。并且这季故事总算按正常时间线来了，并且没有回忆杀。终于知道观众爱看什么了。可以讲清楚一个故事了。

在这里希望觉得原著还有游戏有区别的高抬贵手别打低分 另一个猎魔人宇宙 难道就不香？游戏党现在宽容多了 希望原著党可以学习。毕竟游戏里，杰洛特死了可以读档，杰洛特做的错误的决定，可以通过读档来获得一个相对好的“小恶”，一个相对好的任务结局。而这里的每一个人在我们如果不知道原著和游戏的剧情，他们做的是唯一且不可以悔改的结局。

为什么威瑟米尔不可以有私心为了自己的孩子们？每一个猎魔人都是他的孩子，一个个死在面前加上Baba Yaga（那个老太太demon）的蛊惑，为什么不能在一瞬间上头伤害了ciri？其他时候 威斯米尔没有演出来一个合格的慈祥的老猎魔人？是真的演出来了有血有肉。

为什么椰奶不可以有私心，看过原著的都知道椰奶可不是道德标杆，三观可一点都不正。满脑子都是力量 美貌 享乐，我觉得剧集已经尽量在凸显危险的蛇蝎美人的魅力并且还让椰奶更加有情有义了

关于说颜色问题的，咱们没有zz的zq问题，理性探讨一下。为什么精灵不能有黄和黑皮的。因为这是凯尔特文化？因为北欧没有颜色？那这个世界 或者任何一个架空世界 也没有颜色？因为作者没写这是个黑人我们要尊重作者？那作者有明确的说精灵里没有黄黑人种了么？多一些宽容 魔幻世界 不是zz剧 不是历史剧 我们想看一个好故事 不要被带了节奏 跟着一些别有用心的人的节奏毁了这个剧。觉得黑皮看的恶心 哪怕你想成兽人也可以 但麻烦不要打低分咱别说出来 豆瓣确实没有国际影响力 但现在还能自由自在说这个颜色问题 咱们都心知肚明就可以了，但因为这样的事情给差评传到国外对咱们国人是不是有影响？

如果没有资本注入，这个剧砍了我们看什么？如果这个ip没热度了 还有什么衍生作品吗？cdpr已经跌落神坛 原著小说没有cdpr在这个年代没有人会注意到这ip的。确实是个好ip 但不要听什么尬吹这个书比肩指环王或者冰与火。

看看剧的诚意。第一季导演炫技砸到脚。第二季知错就改好好讲故事。第一季预算不够有怪物基本都晚上，第二季哪怕特效不是那么好也愿意突破勇敢在白天做怪物打斗。知道看客喜欢看大超巷战，这季也有。知道迎合游戏党，做了很多怪物类型，有注意到吗？杰洛特的剑也变成了两把，在马的背包中。知道是成人向 在这个说任何话都会被zz的zq的情况下 尽量不触碰任何道德和意识形态问题 但给我们漏了成人向的奶¥子，也有脏话和血浆。还有一个华裔猎魔人，舞剑方法都和其他人不一样。包括通缉令从天而降掉到水里，椰奶拿起来指甲里的泥和纸上的水。处处都是细节处处都有诚意。

最后说一下。希望诸位高抬贵手，当年Witcher3出来的时候、没几个人知道1和2。没几个人知道原著。是热爱这个ip的人口口相传授之以鱼仙人指路。希望这个ip可以更好 剧中每一个人物在原著中都有，希望可以看到这些人物在剧中的表现，有文学讲不出来的人物弧光和成长，有游戏看不到的视听语言。

就问奇不奇怪，第一季里金发金眉那么仙，第二季顶着金发结果一双粗黑眉真的不违和吗？？？我仙气灵动的希瑞怎么变憨憨了？

刚看了第一季，确实是原著里提到的真人真事…但是为什么大家都演得这么的尴尬呢，小希瑞一点都没有原著里的活泼灵动了，镜头剪辑也很生硬，让人看不出前因后果来，真的不知道为啥网飞不能忠实于原著，其实在7部书中，最精华的部分就是前两部中的短篇，网飞非但没有拍好，还无中生有了不少内容……刚看完原著真的觉得混乱得不行

申明：巫师3含DLC全通，但小说没看。

先说优点：

1.动作场面确实不错，大量和怪物打斗的场面完成得非常出色，作为一部动作片是过瘾的。但是贯穿全剧的最终Boss，每次出场都颇为故弄玄虚，云里雾里的，算是小失误。

2. 第一集改编得确实不错，有黑童话那味道，故事相对独立，算是一个优秀的把人骗进去宰的材料。

3. 如果巫师3玩家来我这里想和我一起喷“好莱坞选角的zzzq”那我不奉陪，我觉得肤色不是问题，选角上，Ciri，Yen和Triss的选角没有问题。尤其是Triss这季妆造大大改良了，好看了不少。而这季的新选角里老爷子和菲丽芭非常优秀，而迪胖被大大地美化了一把。

4. 优点这一栏，“亨利卡维尔”五个字值得单列并且大书特书他的好，以下省略一万字彩虹屁。这剧的评分只有三星，剩下的两星是给亨利卡的。

话说回缺点，我最不满的在于，把人物性格和关系完全写崩了。

为了衬托Ciri的成长线，她身边所有人都有一定程度的扭曲，叶奈法会有背刺Ciri的想法，老爷子犹豫不决决断力连Ciri都不如，而杰洛特为了Ciri把剑拍椰奶脖子上的场面真的是让我翻白眼…

最可怕的是，经过了这样的一个扭曲地调整，居然还有点自圆其说地圆回来了，但是格局小了很多很多。猎魔人的世界里那么一点温暖善良的角落，那些可爱的人，都变得小家子气了。凯尔莫罕在玩家心理的世外桃源感，就被打碎了。

第二季第一集开始我心情还挺激动的，到了艾斯卡尔便当开始觉得不对劲，后面从第五第六集开始多个人物全崩……醉了，编剧说他们改编自小说而不是游戏，那我可以接受人物选角上的各种和游戏冲突的地方，但是小说里也不是这样的人物性格啊！这魔改真是让人不舒服。

Fuck it. I decided to compile a list of every change between Season 2 and Blood of Elves

Heavy spoilers for the books and Season 2!

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This is not all-encompassing. I'll forget some changes--Heaven knows the writers made enough changes. I'll also preface this by saying: This isn't a commentary on the quality of the season itself. It is simply a collection of the differences between the novel and the show.

**Characters**

* Voleth Meir is not in the books. Completely new character.

* Geralt wouldn't use Ciri as bait in the books. Nor did he.

* Ciri is never possessed by a witch.

* Yennefer does not lose her magic in the books.

* Yennefer never considers sacrificing Ciri for power. Nor does the opportunity ever arise.

* Yennefer is not captured by Niilfgard in the books.

* Instead, she is blinded following Sodden after taking a fireball to the face from Fringilla. She then spends lots of time in recovery, then--on Dijkstra's orders--tails and saves Dandelion from Rience.

* No one ever thinks she's dead in the books either (Geralt worries that she died after Sodden, if I recall, but finds out rather quickly she's still out there after talking to Triss at the Sodden memorial)

* Later in the series (Post Time of Contempt/Late Season 3 or early Season 4 by comparison), people suspect Yennefer of being a Nilfgaardian spy. But at no point does anyone suspect her of being a spy following Sodden.

* The Stregobor stuff isn't a thing in the books. He's there, but plays no important role.

* Vessemir wouldn't try to use Ciri's blood to create more witchers in the books. Nor would he ever allow Ciri to undergo the Trial. Nor would he let Eskel bring a bunch of hookers to Kaer Morhen

* In the books, Dandelion is actively working with Djikstra and the Redanian Secret Service. ~~This is removed in the show~~ It is implied that Djikstra is funding Dandelion's sandpiper activities, though Dandelion doesn't seem to be aware of who he is working with. This is speculative on my part though.

* Also in the books, Dandelion is not nearly as comedic as he was in Season 2. He is funny, but they seemed to lean into that aspect of him for Season 2.

* This is more my interpretation, but in the books, Dandelion is far wittier than he is in the show. He certainly doesn't come across as the type to talk to rats in the book.

* Djikstra is not a rambling drunk in the books (although I didn't find that to be a bad change. It was pretty interesting IMO).

* I don't believe Istredd even appears in Blood of Elves

* Francesa Findabar is *not* with the Scoia'tael in the books. By this, I mean she's not in the field with them, acting as their leader.

* She is a member of the Brotherhood of Sorcerers, though she does harbor sympathies for their cause and occasionally meets with Scoia'tel leaders (Filavandrel, as an example). This relationship becomes relevant when she aids Niilfgaard during the Coup at Thanned

* Fringilla Vigo does not become de facto leader of Cintra in the books. Instead, she fucks off to Niilfgard

* Cahir is not captured by the Brotherhood following Sodden in the books. I don't even recall if he was at Sodden. As far as I recall, he traveled back to Niilfgard following the Fall of Cintra, and was imprisoned for failing to capture Ciri. We don't see him again for another two books after Sodden.

* His execution plot-point never happened in the books.

* Book Cahir is also not nearly as mustache-twirly-evil-villain as he is in the show. Cahir fans will know what I mean.

* Tissaia is hardly a significant character in the books.

* Rience is not a magical bounty hunter in the books. He's an almost fanatical follower of Vilgefortz in the books.

* Rience is scarred in the show and books, but in the books, it's because Yennefer uses her magic to wound him as he's interrogating Dandelion.

* Lydia Van Bredevoort does not develop her scars from sniffing a vial of elder blood in the books. Instead, her scars are a result of magical experimentation on Vilgefortz' orders, and her wounds are hidden with an illusion.

* Eskel is not turned into a Leshen and then killed (as far as we know. He's not in the books for long.)

* Vilgefortz and Tissaia are not a romantic thing, as far as I could tell. Nor are they really even partners. Vilgefortz is also the genuine champion of Sodden in the books. He does this to gain more authority in the Brotherhood.

* Vilgy is also way stronger and smarter in the books then how he is depicted in the show. Also, Vilgy never says his classic line. This is a cardinal sin, imo.

* Nenekke is an old and religious lady. She doesn't go around dropping f-bombs in the books.

* Emhyr kept the fact that Ciri was his daughter a big secret in the books. Understandable, given his plans for her (**cough** Imperial Incest **cough**)

* Jarre in the books is a bit of a geek, who is very clearly awkward around girls, and has a crush on Ciri. But he's also smart, and good-intentioned. The show reduces him to a dick joke.

**Plot Points**

* Except for Ciri's training, there is not a single fight at Kaer Morhen. Never. There is no Leshen, nor is there the centipede thing with the claws. There is no possession.

* There are only four witchers at Kaer Morhen (Vessemir, Eskel, Lambert, and Coen)

* At Kaer Morhen, Ciri trains and exercises. Eventually, Triss arrives (on Geralt's request) and instructs Ciri on the basics of magic, as well as the Elder language.

* The plot point with Ciri's blood being able to make more witchers is not in the books.

* Vesemir never collects her blood either. The thought of making more witchers is only ever entertained in the context of Ciri being raised as a girl vs. being raised as a witcher. But the mutagenic process itself/Trial of Grasses is never brought up.

* In the book, Triss travels with Ciri and Geralt to the Temple. In the show, she doesn't. We don't see her get sick.

* On the path to the Temple is when they run into Yarpen Zigrin again. This doesn't happen in the show. As a result, Ciri doesn't visit Shaerrawedd, and there is no fight with the Scoia'tael.

* There is no fight at Melitele's Temple in the books. Never.

* Yennefer does not travel to the Temple to kidnap Ciri and sacrifice her in the books.

* In the books, Ciri and Yennefer stay at the temple for a while. Ciri learns more magic.

* Yennefer is invited to the temple by Geralt after Geralt has already left. See the 'Dear Friend,' bullet point further down.

* There is no reunion between Geralt and Yennefer in Blood of Elves. They reunite outside Gors Velen in the next book.

* In the books, Rience does not find Ciri at the Temple. Instead, Geralt leaves Ciri in Nenekke's care to find Rience at Oxenfurt.

* There is no Shani in the show. >:(

* Phillipa does not help Geralt find Rience, nor does she help Rience escape: as she does in the books.

* In fact, Rience doesn't meet Ciri till the Time of Contempt, which is the next book following Blood of Elves.

* Dandelion doesn't sing at a tavern in Oxenfurt. He sings at Bleobheris, a sacred tree.

* His Sandpiper plot is not a thing in the books.

* Dandelion is not arrested in the books.

* The elf and Cintra plot is not in the books.

* There is a non-human uprising in the North in the books, led by the Scoia'tael, but they are not given Cintra as a place of refuge by the Niilfgardians. Instead, Niilfgard is suspected of funding and arming them behind the scenes to stoke instability in the North.

* Francesca never gets pregnant. Nor does Emhyr commit infanticide against an elven baby in the books.

* The notion that a pure-blooded elf hasn't been born in decades is also a Netflix invention. Elves have a much smaller window of time to get pregnant, but it still happens in the books. Avallach and Geralt talk about this in Tower of Swallow.

* The magical politics is a thing in the books, but is very different from the magical politics in the show. Stregobor does not interrogate or harm Yennefer, and neither do Tissaia/Vilgy use that as an excuse to seize Council seats.

* Instead, the magical politics in the book are concerned with the growing distrust between the Kings and their magical advisors

* The meeting of the Kings at the end of Season 2 is the meeting of the Kings in BoE that puts the Mages on edge, and is used to justify the Conclave in Time of Contempt. However, Tissaia is at the King's meeting in the show, which is not the case in the book. No mages were invited to the meeting in the books.

* When the Kings of the North meet, they do conclude it best to kill Ciri--so as to prevent her falling into Emhyr's hands (they don't want him to have a legitimate claim to the Cintran throne). However, the show cut the King's talk of war with Niilfgaard.

* In the books, they believe a quick strike across the Yaruga could recapture Cintra, and deal a blow to the South. This conversation paves the way for the Second Great War, but does not happen in the show.

* The show also leaves out the politics regarding Cintra's throne. Cordhingrer is visited by Geralt in the books, and they develop a plot to--essentially-- smear Calanthe's name and ruin her claim to the Cintrant throne, thus making Ciri's claim to the throne illegitimate. Thus, protecting her from the kings who want her dead for her political power.

* Again, the Voleth Meir plot is not in the books at all. Instead, Blood of Elves focuses on Ciri's training and planting the seeds for future conflicts.

* I.e. the Second Great War, the Coup of Thanned, Character's motivations to capture Ciri, etc.

* The Monoliths are not a thing in the books.

* The 'Dear Friend,' bit is in reference to letters exchanged by Yennefer and Geralt while Geralt is in Oxenfurt hunting for Rience. Geralt asks Yennefer to travel to the temple to train Ciri. Again, Geralt and Yen don't actually meet though.

* In the books, Niilfgardians are depicted as something more akin to the Romans or English (Highly centralized government with progressive and aristocratic traditions and legal codes). In the books, they are not religious zealots. Though they are also not necessarily 'good' either.

* Yennefer and Cahir never have a team-up in the books.

* Tissaia does not recommend that Ciri be captured, nor does she suggest that anyone protecting her be captured as well. In fact, Tissaia's role in the show is dramatically overblown.

* Ciri is not with Geralt when he meets Nivellen.

* Istredd does not meet with Cordringer and Fenn in the books. Geralt does meet them to find information about Rience and Ciri.

It's not an exaggeration to say that the *majority* of this season is different from the books. And not just sort of different, but drastically different. Hell, the last four or five episodes are fictitious (relative to the book canon (yes I know it's all fiction, please stop reminding me)) in nearly every way. At this point, I'm not certain where the story will go. For example, how will the Coup play out on Thanedd if Ciri won't be able to attend it? And if Ciri isn't at Aretuza for the Coup, then how will she be warped to the desert? And if she isn't separated from Geralt and Yennefer, then how will she meet up with the Rats?

Obviously, they can still work these plots in, or at least, work in the *effects* of these plots, but the story will take a drastically different turn than the one the book tells.

Note that this isn't necessarily a good or a bad thing, so long as it's done well. But there has to come a point when the adaptation is so drastically different from the source material, that I start to wonder whether it's truly an adaptation, or if it's a reimagining.